foreign
by the collapse of the Soviet Union
I wanted to ask you how does it look
like for Russians after the collapse of
the Soviet Union
you look terrible
um
when the Soviet Union fell apart
there was no real plan as to what to do
about the constituent republics there
were 15 republics in this Union of
Soviet Socialist republics and there was
sort of let drift off uh the ironic
thing is that uh President George H.W
bush
favored them kind of staying together
hanging there together and figure out
how you're going to resolve all this
stuff but no it was sort of simultaneous
and as garbachev left the scene he had
the scene came in
now yesim was poisoned for Russia
he hopnobbed with Wall Street with the
so-called Harvard voice
and with a rich people in Washington
and plundered the Russian economy sold
off the state assets at a minimum price
the result was and not maybe not many
people know this
but if memory serves between 1991 and
1995 during those yeltzing years
the expectant age of death
among Russian males went from 63 years
old to 57 years old
now where do I get that figure
from the World Bank okay
it's valid it's authentic I know of
another no other case where a country
like Russia would suffer this kind of so
50 what six years down from 63 to 57
years old when you expect it to die in
four years
people were dying people were hungering
in the street but other people were
getting really really wealthy those are
what we call the oligarchs some of them
were Russian some among Ukrainian a lot
of them were from Harvard Colombia and
the in in Washington DC so point of my
remarks here is that and answer to your
question when the Soviet Union fell
apart it was a very bad thing for the
Russian people
now Putin has been quoted as saying one
of the worst catastrophes in history has
been the fall falling apart of the
Soviet Union
well
he's not saying
that he wants like the Soviet leaders he
wants to take over the world or even
just Europe
he's not saying that he's saying
explicitly that this left tens of
millions of Russians outside of the
Russian Federation
to fend for themselves
and long story short we get to Ukraine
we could see how that went they tried to
fend for themselves being maybe 40
percent of the Ukrainian population
when the West came in the U.S
particularly
staged a coup in Kiev in February 2014
and marginalized the russian-speaking
population and worst of all said let's
join NATO a direct threat a dank
substantial threat to how poutine and
the Russian leaders look at the danger
from the West
got it
um
I I wanted to know because because we
see a drastic change in Putin's region
since it took power to the Early to the
early days to to to present time why why
he changed his vision because his vision
is now is so nationalist it
it's all about nationalism why he
changed his vision toward West
his reason for what for for changing his
vision
toward West this reason
for I'm not hearing the last word taught
West history
for the West toward the west yeah yeah
well that wasn't pusheen's decision
he tried to reach out to the West
he tried to join NATO
he bought into the idea of George H.W
bush that there could be a Europe whole
and free from Lisbon
now he was turned down
where was he turned down well the short
answer is that unless you have an enemy
as believable as the Russian enemy has
been made out to be then you can't
produce and you cannot sell
arms and then you can't get rich like
our oligarchs
now I just saw a figure indicating that
one of our oligarchs was making one
15
000 times as much as the normal worker
in that in that establishment uh that
that's a gracious that's obscene in my
view but there are people making a lot
of money and most of the people in the
United States are not making a lot of
money but are beginning to suffer almost
as badly as the Russians did in the 90s
on the end scene who was supported by
the West I mean it was very lucrative
business to plunder the old Soviet
economy and when he was in danger of not
being reelected in 1996 guess what we
did
we the United States not me the IMF
the World Bank they all jumped in and
gave his campaign all kinds of money and
we gave them all kinds of advisors he
was re-elected after after really
falling really short at the at the polls
and the cover of Time Magazine shows
yelt scene with an American flag saying
well we did it we won again uh
what I like to make clear is that
Vladimir Putin was there okay
he watched all this
it is nothing short of a miracle
that yet seen himself appointed Putin to
take his place
now you know this is guesswork uh in in
terms of human nature but I kind of
think that yet seemed feels very very
Kelsey at what he had done to his
Fatherland or his motherland and decided
well this is a bright guy if anybody has
any hope of undoing the damage that I
yet seen did it's it's poutine so let
him be president uh that's the way I
guess it worked out I don't know any
other reason why he had seen the totally
corrupt person the drunk that he was
would make the right decision in this
one instance and I do consider it a
right decision
I see and and how about the Putin's
vision
uh he he changed his region base and
what because he came after yes
he tried to negotiate with with the West
he tried to join nato in all in all in
all his his attempts he failed he he
couldn't join NATO he couldn't negotiate
yeah well you know uh when you say in
all these attempts he failed well you
know if you look at it the other way he
tried but it wasn't his fault
but he failed
let me let me give you an example here
in 2013
there was a false flag chemical attack
outside of Damascus in Syria
a false flag because it wasn't the
Syrian government as our secretary of
state John Kerry claimed
it was
people that had brought this sarin gas
in from Turkey
these were the insurgents
they will blame the attacks were blamed
on the Syrian government and all of the
so-called neo-conservatives wanted
Obama to start another War this time
with Syria look what they did the
syrians had poisoned all those people
just outside of Damascus now Obama
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was a little bit smarter than he had
been way back when he was elected and he
didn't want to start another War
every one of his advisors said you have
to that was a red line you've got to
start this Warrior we got these tomahawk
missiles they're ready to fire we could
take out the Syrian government you gotta
do it what happened
well by chance by coincidence Obama was
still up in Saint Petersburg for an
economic Summit and so he met with Mr
pooching at the time and what puchim
told him is you know I know and I
applaud you or not wanting to start
another War
I've got a solution for you
now Obama was alone he didn't have John
Kerry with him so he was able to talk
frankly with his counterpart Soviet
Russian president puching so what's
what's this deal and puts his look we've
talked to the syrians they're willing to
destroy all the chemical weapons that
they have they're very old they're
corrupted but they're willing to destroy
it under U.N supervision on a U.S ship
outfitted for this precise region of
destroying chemical weapons so
Obama how do you know that
we've been working with the syrians
watch the Syrian foreign minister
tomorrow on TV Syrian foreign minister
says we're ready to give up all our
chemical weapons under U.N supervision
and have them destroyed Obama says wow
that means I don't have to start another
War 14 says yeah right
Obama goes back and he faces into the
neocons and he says you know this is a
solution I don't have to strike out
against Syria and I'm not going to later
two years later Obama brags to his
biographer I didn't go by the Washington
Playbook I defied them and didn't start
a war now what's the point of all this
well they worked something out
one-on-one and it prevented a war that's
big okay so Putin
writes it op-ed it appears in the New
York Times on the 12th of September
right in the midst of all this but after
they had agreed that this would be the
solution what does he say
he says you know I applaud the growing
trust that exists between our two
countries and also between myself and
President Biden I'm sorry President
Obama
but there's one thing I have to disagree
with him on
and that is that some countries like the
US are
exceptional
President Obama just said this last week
says pooching in this op-ed and I
disagree I think all countries are equal
I think some are closer to democracy
some others are farther away some are
big some of them but when God looks on
countries he considers them all equal
period end quote
whoa
now remember that's September 12
2013. I described that as the apogee the
the high point of Russian
U.S relations for the last couple of
decades what happened
well there are people that don't want
decreased tension with Russia the people
who build the arms sell the arms get
rich by selling the arms and the people
who for whatever reason consider
pooching and the Russian people
in a kind of racist way
just next to the devil in in evilness
okay what do they do
well it took them six months
but they orchestrated a coup in Kiev
Ukraine on the 22nd of February 2014.
no one can doubt that they orchestrated
this coup it was the most blatant coup
in history why because it was advertised
on YouTube
two and a half weeks before it broke out
when YouTube played on the fourth of
February 2014 an intercepted
conversation where Victoria Newland the
U.S assistant Secretary of State for
European Affairs was talking to her
Ambassador in Kiev the U.S ambassador
there plotting the coup naming the names
of the people who would take the prime
ministership and other posts yatz is the
guy she said yatsby what happened to him
well after the who he became prime
minister okay and then the the coup de
gras here at the end
um
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Jeffrey Pyatt the Ambassador the U.S had
in Kiev at the time says to his Superior
Victoria Nolan and this is all in the
intercepts verified as as legitimate
authentic what are we going to do about
the EU the European Union they're not
gonna they're gonna like us and Newland
says f
the f word like it's got four letters
f-ceu
now she says one other thing
to get this
who grew together
and the new government were installing
widely recognized we need an
international personage
so I Victoria Newland have just talked
to Jake Sullivan
Jake Sullivan is National Security
advisors to Vice President Biden and he
tells me says Victoria Noland that Biden
is willing to come and sew this thing up
and give us improvementor to it so he's
ready if we need him then we have an
international personality the vice
president his name is Biden
so that's how far it went that's all in
the video all in the intercepted
conversation that was put on YouTube on
the fourth of February 2014. the coup
came on the 22nd so I kind of thought
well I know a little bit about Coos and
this one's been blown right I mean ain't
going to be no coup now they know who
the the people are going to be well that
wasn't the case they're so blatant that
they went ahead with it anyway was I
alone in thinking that no
Vladimir Putin apparently thought the
same thing because he stayed in Sochi
at the Winter Olympics until he had to
come back the day after the coup
now what did he do on the day after the
coup obviously he convened his uh his
top National Security advisors and he
said well what are we going to do about
our only ice-free year-long naval base
in sevastopol and they said well that's
in Crimea
if they're going to join NATO
we're not going to let them take Crimea
and so there was a plebiscite the
crimeans overwhelmingly voted to rejoin
Russia and that's why Crimea became
annexed to Russia
main point here
there is not a scintilla
there's not there's no evidence at all
that it ever entered Putin's mind to our
next Crimea
before the coup on the 22nd of February
2014.
now that's just the beginning it goes
downhill from there but those were the
key things and what American people by
and large don't know because the media
doesn't tell them is that there was this
crew it was right on the doorstep of of
Russia and they threatened to join NATO
and besides that they had emplacements
for the kinds of capsules that could
handle not only anti-ballistic missiles
but also things like Tomahawk cruise
missiles and Hypersonic missiles so
there's not only a rhetorical or
strategic threat there's a tactical
threat where poutine has made it clear
has made it very obvious that he doesn't
want these kinds of missiles on his
doorstep
which would give him
well he said it himself at the end of
December it would give him seven to ten
minutes warning time if there were a
slow-moving tomahawk missiles before it
reached Moscow and if it were Hypersonic
missile it would give him five one two
three four five minutes to decide
whether it'll blow up the rest of the
world I mean that's what it comes to
really okay he didn't want that
and so he tried to negotiate so look we
don't want these things right on our
periphery it's very very similar to the
Cuban Missile Crisis which had its
denouement which had its peak
60 years ago exactly
exactly today on the 28th of October
1962.
what do I mean I mean back down
they said well we try to put missiles in
Cuba uh Kennedy is threatening nuclear
war let's get out of here what do we do
well we get Kennedy to promise not to
invade Cuba and then we say okay well we
won uh Russia the U.S is not going to be
Cuba we can pull the muscles missiles
out he backed down
now why did he back down
because he saw that Kennedy saw an
existential threat
an existential threat if medium-range
ballistic missiles were in place in Cuba
they were already there with the nuclear
warheads there yes we know now we didn't
know then how far could they reach not
only Washington D.C but Omaha Nebraska
where our Strategic Air Command was this
was an existential threat now for
shuffling conferred with this we know a
lot about this now because we have the
Soviet we have the Soviet documents that
have been released but he he said well
you know it's not an existential threat
for us it was a good try right it was a
Gambit it didn't work uh are we going to
risk nuclear warfare this now let's just
pull the missiles out and say we
extracted a promise
the United States would not invade Cuba
now what's why do I mention that now not
only not only because it's the 60th
anniversary exactly
but because pooching
like President Kennedy
she's an existential threat
Beast missile emplacements already in
Romania
going into Poland almost finished there
and didn't want them in Ukraine as well
now did he get satisfaction from the U.S
that this wouldn't happen
no and that's a long story uh the U.S
people don't know this very much because
they don't follow what people say as
closely as I do but if you're interested
I can show you how pooching in December
raised issues specifically with Joseph
Biden our president and Biden promised
get this folks
Biden promised on the 30th of December
in a telephone call or Zoom or whatever
it was with poutine uh and the readout
from that telephone call was quote Mr
Biden said that the U.S had no intention
of deploying offensive strike missiles
in Ukraine period
end quote
the Russians are delighted with this
they said our negotiations which were
about to begin in Geneva are off to a
very good start this is a big big good
step guess what
somebody got to the president and said
Joe
my god did you really you really say
that to poutine I said well yeah well
forget about it Joe We're not gonna do
that and so the negotiators would not
allow Ed even mention the president's
promise not to deploy offensive strike
missiles in Ukraine now Putin is
watching all this and the next time he
talks to Biden the readout is Biden did
not mention anything about not deploying
offensive strike missiles in Ukraine as
he had six weeks prior on December the
30th what does Putin to think well
number one who's running the show in
Washington and number two can I trust
these people
well he decided he couldn't and with the
support of China which is a very major
factor here he decided that he had to
invade Ukraine
now people say to me Ray you're not
condoning you're not saying that it's
okay to invade another country
no that's not what an intelligence
analyst does
an intelligence analyst tries to figure
out why
why did poochie do this okay and as I
watch uh the assurances that Putin
sought
the the promise that he didn't get
and the the threat not only of uh
continuing destruction of these Russian
speakers outside of Russia namely in
Ukraine but also the prospect of this
NATO trained Army
NATO trained in the past seven years
attacking donbas
which it appears they were about to do
I think that I can understand okay I can
understand why poaching decided the only
the only solution here is for me to
clean these guys out and take take back
to the nest and lugansk and see what
else happens do I have allies in this I
do Xi Jinping he could pick a better
Ally and so he went ahead so people say
to me McGovern so you think that's all
right look what I say to them is this
I think pooching like any president
considers his main duty in first and
foremost duty to defend his country from
outside aggression
uh
I have to
say we we give him that that is a major
objective of of his Reckoning so
here's McGovern
when we try to be a little empathetic
here and put ourselves in poutine's
shoes okay then I watch all this
activity going back to the coup in Kiev
what
2014 and I see the encroachment of NATO
closer and closer to the east despite
promises in the past not to do that
so what's the bottom line for me I say
to my friends
no
I don't want to be a hypocrite
Hypocrites are not nice people
so if if I was sure
well let me put it this way if I were
poaching I'm not sure what I would have
done
when you're president of a country and
you see an existential threat
and you have the power and the potential
to react to that threat
that's what you do
that's what John Kennedy did on Cuba
was the blockade legal
no
was his assembly of an invasion Force
prepared to go at the Cuba legal
not so much was his threatening of
nuclear war legal well the U.N says
you're not supposed to do that but
nobody said Mr Kennedy what you're
trying to do is unprovoked
provoked and that's the way I look at
Vladimir Putin
I think that when we have to be honest
here and say that we provoked him into
these measures and you can talk about
the morality you can talk about how
terrible it is that people are suffering
I feel really bad about that I honestly
do
but the corollary here is that if you
want to stop this
if you want to have a ceasefire you have
an imbalance of power in that area of
the world where the Russians have most
of the power then you got to figure out
why they did it okay why put what
motivated Pucci to do this and once you
figure that out then you can meet and
negotiate for God's sake that's the way
we used to do it and that's precisely
the way we did it on Cuba and there are
no high level contacts worth mentioning
now that things have gotten so bad
between Russia and the United States
and and why why did why why did the U.S
choose to confront Russia
instead of negotiating
was it because of they wanted to trap
and weaken Russia and then go after the
containment of China
was it the plan
I think
I think plan is is something that is a
two nice term for what our policy makers
have in mind
in my view people like Anthony blinken
and Jake Sullivan
are exceptional people
that is people who have been given to
believe
they are exceptional
they have attended the finest schools
they've been given the most wonderful
privileges they are precisely the same
kinds of people
that advise John F Kennedy and Lyndon
Johnson to go into Vietnam because we
were exceptional the French couldn't
beat these ragged
Barefoot jungle people but we are
exceptional we could there was a book
written about it it's called the best
and the brightest so you have the direct
descendants of those people they come
from the same Ivy League schools they
have no real experience they never wore
a uniform they don't know what war is
like this is very dangerous okay Joe
Biden does he know what war is like
five deferments during Vietnam
how many did Cheney have
five deferments Vietnam well okay
nothing against deferments but the fact
is Joe Biden doesn't know where it worse
like either
luckily
every Russian that was in on those
discussions
60 years ago on Cuba had been in World
War II
that's big
the Russians is your listeners may know
lost 26
million people Plus in that war imagine
that 26
million people
everyone even today has a relative
grandfather so that had the experience
of real war at the hands of the Nazis
okay so uh deciding on Cuba what of
course shop said look
we know what war is like
this guy Kennedy seems serious
it's not an existential threat for us
it's a political embarrassment to
withdraw but
let's keep our heads screwed on right
and get those missiles back home and
that was the decision he didn't face any
big backlash for that there was sensible
people now there is a sense that
strummed into you if you're exposed to
war and and unfortunately
the people that are now calling their
shots in Washington have no concept of
this John Kennedy did
so did those around him they had served
they know what was like not the same way
that the Russians did but they knew that
Kennedy of course himself was uh within
that peachy boat so this is a big
difference and it gives me great concern
that these people who think were
exceptional
and that the Russians are
well you know when I speak at the
universities very often people ask about
well do you think the United States of
America is indispensable like metal or
bright and others people's High
Statesmen have said
so I always say well let's say you know
what a synonym is
and most of them say yeah that's a like
word that said okay well how about an
antonym
and one or two of them so yeah that
means that's an opposite word
so I asked them okay so what's the
antonym for indispensable
and they stroke their chin and they're
usually one of them says oh
dispensable
that's it that's right so
the United States is indispensable
by definition
all the other countries Brazil all the
other countries especially Russia are
dispensable
now
there was a time when the United States
could get away with that that time has
ended the only problem is that these
exceptional people don't realize that no
longer are we indispensable we're not
even exceptional except for the fact and
mark my words this is very important
except for the fact that the world has
now been divided into
people talk about multiple World well in
a sense they're quite right but I look
at it as a world not unipolar as it was
ever since World War II with the U.S the
main polls so to speak
it's bipolar
in both sense both sisters of the word
all right in a psychiatric sense as well
but in the
geostrategic sense it's bipolar because
on the one hand you have the
Lily White
West
NATO look at him
they were all Lily white the closest you
get to people of color is turkey okay
the Lily white West against the rest of
the world primarily people of color
India
Iran Argentina
Brazil South Africa so would our policy
makers in their indispensable we say
Russia is isolated
well I hope they don't really believe
that but I have to allow for the
likelihood that they do why because
we're exceptional we're indispensable
Russia is sort of like
part of the expression and of course
both a lot of the Russians are people of
color as well so just to sum this up
it's a very dangerous situation we're in
that right now because what what China
and Russia call the collective West
which is Lily White
is a Reign against the rest of the world
including not only China India Russia
and many other countries who are fed up
with this unipolar thing you can call it
multi-polar if you want I call it
bipolar serious things that it it is
exceptional that that's why
it has Monroe Doctrine for itself but it
doesn't apply to anybody else in this
world
well obviously poutine is not entitled
to have a Monroe Doctrine
otherwise there would be no struggle
over Ukraine yeah it's the Monroe
Doctrine is one of the symptoms here uh
you know if you go back to the end of
World War II
uh Russia was pretty much
destroyed
most of Western Europe was I visited
Western Europe when I was in college in
1959
so instead
14 years after the end of the war
Munich was in rubble
traces of the war were all over the
place even in some places that had not
been heavily bombed so this is the
reality no we emerged from that with
casualties of about 400
000 soldiers
as opposed to the Russians 26 million
people half of them soldiers
and we we sort of inherited The Riches
of the world now George Cannon who knew
a lot about the Soviet Union and the
Russians uh he was a
it was an exceptional person uh he was
an elitist
in some senses a bit of a racist
but he used to be my you know the person
that I admire most because he knew most
about Russia what he said in the first
policy planning statement
from the state department after the war
I think the the year was 1948.
he said look here's the reality
we have domain we the United States we
have domain over 50 percent of the
world's natural resources
our policies have to be devised in such
a way as to keep that disproportion
we can't be diverted by things like
human rights and soft things like that
don't really matter it will come to our
having to exercise hard power
if we want to keep our domain of this 50
because when push comes to shove please
realize that although we own 50 percent
of the world's wealth we're only 6.3
percent of the world's population
okay folks guess what now America is
only 4.3 of the world's population and
we can't even pretend to be able to
exercise this kind of influence on each
hunger that the game is over
now I'll add a little footnote to this
because Canon was very smart guy
um
when it became clear
that President Clinton
was going to go back on George cast
predecessor's promise
we're talking about President Clinton
now
yeah yeah George Canada is what we were
talking about before
when it became clear to George Cannon
that Bill Clinton was going to renege
on George H.W Bush's promise
not to move NATO
one inch to the east
of East Germany
when it became clear that Clinton was
going to violate that promise and move
NATO eventually right up to Russia's
border
tenants spoke out and he said this is
the worst policy mistake you could make
in the post four years we have to
realize where we are here this would be
a a terrific mistake because it would
encourage a Russian response that we
would have to take into account and
indeed that's exactly what we have now
when that promise was made as many of
your viewers will probably remember that
was February 1
1990 about a month and a half after the
Berlin Wall fell
and James Baker a Texas lawyer who is
Secretary of State in the George H W
bush went to Moscow
and uh to his credit George H.W bush
wanted as I said before a Europe that
was whole and free from Portugal to
Vladivostok in the East right well the
baker was a smart Texas lawyer
and he said no Mikhail garbage
Nazi here's the deal
we want we want to reunited Germany
now when
I Ray McGovern heard that
I get the shakes
well I was alive during World War II I
was very little
then I watched all kinds of movies about
the Germans okay and I lived in Germany
for five years on active duty
I was afraid of the Germans
but I'm an American
we only lost about 400 000 soldiers in
World War II
I'm not a Russian
I'm not going much off from a country
that lost 26 million during World War II
at the hands of the Germans
so
needless to say this was a very bitter
pill to ask kind of a chocolate Shepherd
Nazi was his foreign minister to swallow
a reunited Germany
thank you
so they said we have to think about this
came back the next day and said
what's the quo here that's a really
bitter quit my God reunited Germany quit
what's a quote and then Baker
as Texas lawyer says whoa
how would it be how would it be if we
promised not to move Nato one inch to
the east
of the German border how would that be
and garage friendship is not just said
well
now bear in mind they expected a lot of
help from the U.S economic help is one
of the other help so they're inclined to
say well
you promise
and Jane baker said cross my heart and I
hope to die as they say in Texas okay
they bought the promise
they didn't even get it written down was
it real of course it was real it's in
all of the notes of not only the state
department but the German foreign
Ministry
the German Chancellor was there the next
day made exactly the same promise so
here in 1995 1996 our President Clinton
decides to reneg on that promise and
Kenneth says it's the worst singer
possibly do this is we're going to get a
really aggressive Russian reaction and
of course
that's what we have 20 years later
it wasn't predictable of course it was
uh was poaching's invasion of the
Ukraine unprovoked
well you're not going to leave that to
your viewers to decide given some of the
history that I've reduced a little while
ago
I think in in Europe you you can't see
the sovereignty you you I it's so much
in hand viewers in Hand of the US Europe
today all the leaders I don't know I I'm
not talking about the people I'm talking
about the leaders in Europe
they are all in Hand of U.S if you as if
the U.S want to do something they go
after what the U.S want what why is like
this
you asked the 64 question I have to give
you a Frank answer
I can't understand it
it's fact
they still are under the thumb of the
United States but you draw an important
distinction between the people and the
rulers that they elect
now
I can't understand why the Germans
would suffer the loss of their
Industries
and let their people suffer from the
cold this winter
rather than accept what little Russian
guests they need to get through the
winter
and why they would not suspect that
people who have talked about getting rid
of Nordstrom one and two
that they weren't responsible well come
on you know
who benefits from the destruction from
the sabotage destroying these pipelines
well I'll leave that to your viewers too
so in other words here are the Germans
they had a chance there was one line
still still is a little bit open will
the Germans freeze to death will they
let their Industries falter and just
because the U.S says no you can't do
that well that defies explanation and
that's why I have none I have no
explanation it's the same for the French
you know you would think that the US
hand after 77 years from the war would
have gotten a little weaker where these
people would stand up and think for
themselves uh well
I'm I'm not afraid I fully expect that
the the people in these countries France
Germany and Czechoslovakia there have
already been 70 000 people demonstrating
in Winchester Square against these
policies so I think that uh that this is
going to be a short live sort of thing
that as soon as the American as soon as
the European populace realize that
they're being had that these people are
ruling them have something really queer
about them where they can't stand up to
Uncle Sam and where they will even
condone the destruction of the pipelines
that would have been their salvation and
not even complain or were still blame it
on the
guess who
the Russians so we're asked to believe
that the Russians destroyed their own
pipelines I mean Hello they couldn't
just turned the spigot off right oh God
so they they printed away this main
advantage
some of people asking uh or suggesting
that the Russians blew their own Bridge
up the catch bridge over the church
Straits to Crimea people say oh this had
to be the Russians well
the propaganda offensive has been so
thick in this country the United States
that Americans are are inclined to
believe anything about the Russians even
that they would shoot themselves in this
foot with the explosions of the north
stream and in this foot with blowing up
their their early bridge to Crimea
and that is the function of six straight
years
of Russia Russia Russia so-called Russia
game
which started with charges that Russia
had hacked the Democratic National
Committee and interfered with our
election in 2016.
what American people don't know is that
there is documentary evidence now from
congressional testimony from Court
statements from emails relating to court
proceedings that this was all invented
by Hillary Clinton
and President Obama
there was no Russian Act
and the person charged with
investigating the Russian Hack has said
so
under oath
in testimony he said it on the 5th of
December 2017.
do the math
do Americans know this no it's been
suppressed since December 5 2017 until
today 28th of October
2022 so the media is really the problem
here first of all Congress suppressed it
but then the media has suppressed it
even longer two and a half years the
media has suppressed this information
what's the information there is no
technical evidence that the Russians or
anyone else hacked those damaging emails
from the Democratic National Committee
why damaging well they showed that
Hillary Clinton pretty much stole the
nomination from Bernie Sanders as the
pro as the campaign proceeded and nobody
wanted that to be believed so they said
well no this is Russian propaganda it
wasn't it was given to WikiLeaks some
other way in other words bottom line
there was no Russian Hack
more important bottom line nobody knows
that
Russians know it and of course Obama
threw out 35 Russian diplomats because
of this non-existent pact so again put
yourself in Pucci and shoes what's going
on here
are they will link to accuse Russia of
interfering in elections just as a
partisan sort of political ploy
well well yeah because that's what they
did
are these people trustworthy well we
have to put our guard up and we have to
make sure that when we do that a when we
trust we prove it I
we just verify okay so uh it's really a
tough situation now the more so since
the top leaders of both countries are
not communicating
and that was a necessary element
to prevent the Cuban Missile Crisis
exactly 60 years ago six zero years ago
from flying out of hand and the reason
that you and I Nema can be having this
discussion today is because of
backed off
why because there was no existential
threat to Russia was it a nice essential
threat to the U.S yeah they certainly
for so we all thought so what's the
difference
pushing feels an existential threat from
NATO infringement than from these
medium-range ballistic missile capable
sites okay is he going to back off you
don't back off from existential threats
if you have the power including nuclear
weaponry to resist so bottom line here
Pluto's not going to back off okay does
he have the wherewithal to proceed even
further into Ukraine he dies watch what
happens in the next couple of months is
Ukraine an existential threat to the
United States
no way
no way okay so who needs to back off
I'll leave that to your viewers to
decide but it seemed pretty clear to me
that I hope well one can only hope that
Biden or whoever's running things in in
Washington has children and
grandchildren like we do and cares a lot
about what happens to them otherwise
we're in really really uh Dire Straits
see and we see that in mainstream media
in the U.S and
because which is which
coming from the U.S officials
they are trying for years and years to
demonize Improvement
putinizing Russia and you eventually end
up with demonizing Russian people
we are seeing this we all Russians are
sanctioned in each and every way
possible
foreign
among the American people
uh let me broaden this out just a little
bit
General Eisenhower
who is our president in the early 50s
now he warned as he left office
and he had been a journalist you know he
weren't about something he called the
military industrial complex
and explain that since World War II the
arms makers the arms dealers the armed
sellers the arms people that support
congressional candidates who in turn
appropriate more money for arms making
arms dealing or I'm selling audio that's
quite a nice little circle here that
they are to be feared
that the accretion of power among the
military-industrial complex was
inevitable unless and this is the key
unless there were a well-informed
citizenry
we don't have
a well-informed citizenry and we don't
have just a mick at mic anymore we have
what I've coined a new acronym
you have a piece of paper and a pencil
or Medicaid board
get this down it's on the final exam
okay
I call it the Mickey man
it's easy to remember because it Bears a
resemblance to making mad Mickey Mouse
Okay Mickey Matt the military
industrial Congressional
intelligence media
Academia Think Tank complex
make amen now
why do I say
media as if in all capital letters
because media is the linchpin
it doesn't work without the media
and who controls the media
the same corporations their profits here
for more
who owns the media those same
corporations
and so
whereas Eisenhower called for a
well-informed citizenry the media
controlled by these same forces that
want to make farms and sell them and get
richer and richer and richer at the
expense of poor people keeping them down
well they're ruling the roost right now
together with people who think that
Russia's or Russians are a little less
than less than equal and you have
ridiculous things like
Obama's head Director of National
Intelligence his name was James clemper
now he was an old Air Force General
he knew about the Russians
after he left office he was interviewed
and he says you know I know the history
of the Russians
they're almost genetically driven to be
deceitful to co-op to Cleveland young
children to do evil things this is a
known characteristic almost genetic in
the Russian people
this is the guy
in charge of all the intelligence
agencies in the US government
thank you
did he really believe that you know he's
not a really he's not the sharpest knife
in the in the draw as we usually say but
you know it's hard to believe that he
really believes the Russians are
genetically driven to do these things so
this is what here I am
try to put my shoes and put my feet is
Pusheen shoes right and I say my God
who's running this show who's telling
blinken and Sullivan and the others what
to do why is this guy General Petraeus
over lost in Iraq lost in Afghanistan
you know who knows nothing about Vietnam
because just a little boy who's
listening why do they listen to him
still well because there's a lot of
money in the military industrial
Congressional intelligence media
Academia Think Tank complex
Mickey man now I'll say one more thing
on this
I'm a Catholic and I like Pope Francis I
don't believe ever I don't share
everything he believes but sometimes he
hits the nail
right on the head
so here he is in 2015 I think it was he
appears before a joint committee of the
U.S Congress The Joint Congress both
House of Representatives in the Senate
and he gets up and he makes pretty good
speech in the midst of which he says you
know quote
the main problem is that is the blood
drenched arms Traders
period end quote
Congress people in the Senate oh yeah
and then they look in their pockets to
see if the latest envelope from Lockheed
or from Raytheon or from Boeing whether
it didn't slip out of their pockets
while they were clapping it was giving
hypocrisy abandoned God said you know
all these people who profits here on the
profiteering on war were applauding the
pope for naming the problem which is the
blood drenched armstrighters he had it
right now how can we do this well it
takes an informed citizenry as
Eisenhower warned and so we're trying to
chip away and say to the American people
look you've been sold down the road so
many times there were no weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq there are all kinds
of no
there were all kinds of Lies told about
not only Afghanistan not only the Iraq
but also Libya and when are you going to
grow up when are you going to give a
good example to the Europeans and say
look we're up to here with this stuff we
want the truth and we retired people who
used to be able to tell the truth when
we were in active service we stand ready
to help and we keep producing things so
that people can have a place to go to
learn the truth
percent
and back into Nordstrom sabotage
and you see that Swedish government
investigated the case and they found
something they found some some evidence
but they are not willing to share it
with
not we we Germany or other countries in
the EU why why why why why why they're
not putting their evidence out if if
they're believing that Russia did this
well let me just say that it's very
clear that the U.S had a very very big
hand in this
um you know when you look at a crime
like this you look about motive you look
about means do they have the means to do
this you talk about the results that
they hope to expect well uh the
president himself said that the north
stream pipeline would not go through if
there were if Russia invaded the Ukraine
they had the means they had military the
Baltic Sea is a NATO Lake for Pete's
sake they the Danes and the swedes know
everything that went on in that area and
then after it was blown this
you have to be careful here I I know
some words I want to use for Anthony
blinken or Secretary of State
uh he bragged oh this is a tremendous
opportunity for our selling natural gas
instead of the Russians hello you know
what a stupid thing to say even if true
so what are the sweets doing
the swedes are a vassal state
they are no longer neutral
I
you know I think back
to the days of Olaf Palmer
where they could stand in their own two
feet be a neutral nation and help peace
in the world they've succumbed their
security forces and so forth their
military have succumbed to the
blemishments of the UK and the U.S now
how do I know that well you know how
much time do we have I can just to
choose one example okay
when Julian Assange exposed the war
crimes the U.S military in Afghanistan
and Iraq
the U.S need to get them
how did they get him
they got them through the Suites and the
swedes get them well for those of you
who don't know he had a an affair with
two women in Sweden okay and it was
consensual it was you know they had
intercourse it was no big problem until
one of the women said oh my God I wonder
if he has AIDS let's get Julian to be
tested for AIDS and Julia said I just
got tested recently I'm okay I'm not
going to do that and so they thought oh
my god well we're going to worry about
this forever let's go to the police
just to see
it's not to make a complaint or anything
but just to say can we force Julian
Assange to take a test for AIDS
they went to the police and they said
look this was all consensual what we
want to know is do we have the right to
get Julian to get it tested for AIDS and
the Swedish police
with their liaison Partners you can
imagine who they would be from from
abroad made this into a rape case
published and demeaned Julian assigns
before the world thinking people still
think in this country a some sort of
rapist now how do I know all this I know
this because Nils Meltzer
for torture took an interest in Julian
Assange case and guess what he went to
Sweden
to see how how it all happened how they
they got their clutches on Julian now
whether the swedes knew
that Neil Smeltzer was fluent in Swedish
whether they do that or not I don't know
but they let him look at the police
records
they took copious notes and he reported
back look they had nothing on Julian
Assange this was just a ruse to capture
him and as you all know where that led
Julia want to stay in Sweden to face
whatever charges the women wanted to put
up because the women were honest people
they wanted to kind of make charges but
they wouldn't do it they delayed and
they didn't let the lawyers do this and
the friendly intelligence Services well
you know that was back what 2012 years
or so ago and Julian has been in some
sort of captivity
with his Liberty infringed ever since in
the last couple of years in the Maximum
Security Prison
in Glenmar share in in London with no
charges other than uh well they just
want to keep them I just want to keep
them there he's got covet
and whether he survives this one or not
I don't know my own guess is that the
U.S authorities would love to have
Julian die of covet it'd be a big
problem off their hands and they will
have demonstrated what they set out to
demonstrate that is no matter who you
are
whether you're Australian Swedish or
Brazilian or from Antarctica or from
Norway we're going to get you
because we are the United States
who are exceptional
we're indispensable
we have tentacles all over the place not
only the swedes will do our business but
others will too so don't even think of
publishing about things like U.S war
crimes because we're going to get you
and we're going to do to you exactly
what we've been doing to Julian for 12
years now is going to have a no good end
almost certainly that's going to happen
to you if you speak out freedom of the
press
forget about it
Magna Carta
I meant over 800 years ago
those gutsy Nobles they were English
Nobles they're not the Common People
Noble they were arrested these rights
from King John okay
habeas corpus fear of the press and what
happened well I forgot about it now they
forgot about it because there's a
unipolar world and we can do what we
want
that's happening within the United
States as well with gross infringement
of our Bill of Rights the First
Amendment Fourth Amendment against an
illegal searches and seizures and so I
think things are getting a little things
are going downhill quickly uh I dare say
there's still hope but we have to get
off our derriers and make sure that our
fellow Americans know how serious this
situation is and
and we have to stick our necks out to
make that point clear to everyone
how how do you see the future of turkey
in NATO because he's gonna turkey gonna
have much stronger economic ties with
Russia
they're gonna have a gas Hub in in
Turkey how do you see this these
relations between Russia and Turkey
how this plays out for NATO
well for NATO it's not a good thing I
mean you have Russia and Turkey
on the Eastern anchor of NATO becoming
very friendly indeed and as you just
mentioned turkey being the potential
beneficiary of lots of gas and oil
pipelines going through turkey
this is an amazing windfall for turkey
what will the Germans say about having
to pay twice or three times as much
money
after commissions and everything else
the Turks should be pleased but so in a
word turkey has always been a kind of
questionable member of NATO
um
when turkey invaded Cyprus
1974 I believe it was
the Greeks were up in arms the Greeks
and the Turks have always been at each
other's throats so what I say is Greece
gravitating more toward NATO turkey
playing a very adroit role in
cultivating relations with everyone
including China
Iran and others and probably I'm
guessing here seeing the handwriting on
the wall
that NATO and U.S domination of NATO is
not going to last very much longer give
it a year or two but that year or two
will give us Turks the flexibility and
the opportunity to cultivate ties where
it really counts in the future and that
is with Russia and with China
how we can put an end to this Insanity
to this war in Ukraine how do you see
this
foreign
Ty
it's worse than insanity
it's racist
it's
money grubbing
and it's
this feeling of exceptionalism
the only solution I would go back to is
Eisenhower's victim
that to prevent this kind of insanity
you need a well-educated public
now there has to be a way to get around
the mainstream media and its sensors
we have the internet now
that's being infringed upon also
but we have all kinds of technical ways
to get information out
how do we persuade Americans who are
working two jobs and trying to feed
their kids put them into bed and then
watch Fox News to be entertained and get
those Americans to focus on the real
real subject here that is the increasing
danger of a wider war in Europe and God
forbid elsewhere
so
the challenge here is that Americans do
not know what war is like
except for those people in Hawaii
when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor
1941
the US has really been able to be
protected by two very large oceans okay
that's not the case anymore
whether U.S strategic planners know this
or not and they surely do
Russia and China have the wherewithal to
destroy us all in minutes
talking about sophisticated weaponry
that the Russians in particular
developed when they saw us developing
things like
anti-ballistic missile systems
that will never work
there's all kinds of ways to get around
that and the Russians have about five no
missile systems designed and well tested
to do precisely that so
what we need to do is just kind of make
sure that we American citizens go to our
political leaders and say look you know
this is the situation as we understand
it how do you understand it and if they
give you a bunch of malarkey a bunch of
bull in return then you're well educated
you can change that you can change their
views now that's going to take a long
time I just hope that in the interim
people are smart enough to keep their
hands off the keys to the nuclear
weapons and we'll kind of step back as
who shaft did exactly 60 years ago okay
it's possible to be sane
it's possible to try
as the U.S has
to
make the situation untenable for Russia
in Eastern Europe we've tried it didn't
work when it came to Ukraine the
Russians said no you don't do this so
are we as wise
are we as
empathetic as whoosh off was
he suck Kennedy's problems
he said in effect
okay it was a Gambit I thought it would
work
didn't work
uh
illegal in a risk
nuclear war
just because our Gambit didn't work no I
don't think so and he had unanimous
support to do the right thing
embarrassing though it was
and there was sweeteners thrown in there
we know that the original deal the one
that was solidified exactly 60 years ago
today when Khrushchev wrote to Kennedy
and said okay we'll withdraw the
missiles we'll dismantle them we'll put
them in crates and we'll get them out of
there if you promise not to invade Cuba
that was the deal okay now
there was another deal
Robert Kennedy JFK's brother had talked
to the Russian Ambassador dobrinan and
said look uh we're willing to consider
what you proposed before those missiles
in Turkey
U.S missiles in Turkey but you know
we're not going to make that part of
this deal we'll have a tacit
understanding we'll have a promise and
oral promise which we won't write down
but my brother John Kennedy the
President says that if you go through
with this deal we will within four or
five months withdraw those missiles from
Turkey
Bush off comes back in a private message
this time and says okay
we understand that you had all you would
have all kinds of problems with NATO
if you if you admitted that you're gonna
withdraw those missiles from Turkey
I for sure understand that and so we
won't we won't make a big deal of this
and we will keep it secret as you
require but we fully expect this to be
done in four or five months
guess what they did keep it quiet it was
done in four or five months and that was
part of the broader deal but the deal
itself was just twofold it extraction of
the missiles and a pledge not to not to
invade Cuba what's my point here my
point here is that when people talk
you can see what really bothers them
right and if there's not an overt public
way to satisfy it or it bothers them you
can always work around the edges you can
always send your brother to talk to the
Russian Ambassador right and say look we
understand you're concern about those
missiles in Turkey please understand our
concern that we can't say well we gave
up our missiles in Turkey to get the
missiles out of cube no we can't do
that's not politically possible for us
do you understand kushov says yeah
I understand
but I'm going to remember that promise
now did the U.S deliver on the promise I
think as I may have already said yes
they did when in four or five months
okay so these things you can work them
out if you talk
right now there are no talks going on
30 Democrats
three days ago now
proposed to the president you ought to
talk to poutine guess what
several hours later they said oh no no
we we didn't mean that no no
hello now there is a summit going to
happen in Bali in Indonesia I think well
the Xi Jinping is going poochin hadn't
decided yet I think that's wise a lot of
people would like to shoot pujin down
Security in such circumstances is really
quite quite a challenge
I think he'll end up going so you have
Xi Jinping and you'll have poutine will
Biden go
I suspect he'll be too embarrassing for
him not to go now
when you talk about embarrassing
last time the Preparatory meeting for
this Summit in Indonesia
Anthony blinken said I'm not going to
talk to lavrov
I'm just going to talk to the Chinese
guy
so he made a big thing of
leaving the room anytime lazaroth came
by the
Russian foreign minister and he wanted
to have a big ostentatious meeting with
the Chinese guy as if that's good Joe
draw a wedge between China and Russia I
don't think so so picture Biden Biden's
in Bali Indonesia and he sees coaching
come in
and he goes no is he going to leave the
room and it's going to say oh Xi Jinping
I'll talk to you I mean hello it's so
ridiculous it's third grade elementary
school stuff
and the people that are advising
Biden
I'm sure they passed the third grade
I'm sure that they went to the finest
schools
but they don't know anything about war
and they don't know much about life
I just just hope for the best and make
sure that we can educate people to to
the best of our degree to be able to do
that yeah
Paul a poll came out yesterday
shows over half Americans oppose Ukraine
Aid 75 70 71 percent of Republicans 44
of Democrats and 62 percent of
independence why these people cannot get
their voice heard
by U.S officials
well the system is is
constructed in such a way
that what citizens believe
can be just discarded witness Iraq
most Americans were against the war in
Iraq even though most Americans had been
deceived about weapons of mass
destruction
and he went ahead anyway pushed it in
those days so
these people don't really feel
accountable to the American people
Bush started
the the younger Bush George W bush
started with Nuremberg after World War
II what Nuremberg called a war of
aggression
now they Define that they said that to
perpetrate
a war of aggression well that's the
Supreme this is a quote
that's the Supreme International crime
differing from other war crimes
only in as much as it contains the
accumulated evil of the whole
torture
kidnapping
so
George W bush
perpetrated that war with the help of
Dick Cheney and people like Colin Powell
who lied to the U.N to justify it
have they been held to account
no
I live in a southern city here Raleigh
is the name it's North Carolina
George W bush
was invited here to address the Boy
Scouts of America and give them
inspiration to be patriotic
now the reason I mentioned that is
because we developed what we called a
welcome committee
we did two things we put Billboards upon
the main thoroughfare saying coming to
Raleigh what criminal September 16th
mentioning the arena where he would be
put that up a week before the 16th of
September when it was due to arrive and
then we organized the welcome committee
with placards which would be set at the
only entrance to this Arena and which
would say what he is
a war criminal and that he should be
arrested and that's what we did the
local police let us do that why why am I
saying all this because George W bush
former president of the United States
had a Slytherin had a sneak into that
Arena I don't know how he got in there
he did give a little talk and then he
had a sliver out Slither out like some
common criminal which he is
so
that's in the birth scheme of things a
small thing
but he knows that he can't get the kind
of reception elsewhere in the United
States where those Texans
applaud the fact that he misspoke and
said yeah yeah I did a ruthless attack
on on another country
they laughed okay so what we need to do
is in small ways or big ways face down
these people and say we know what you
did we find it not only illegal but
reprehensible you should be a war
criminal but until we can get you into
the Hague
we're going to make it really
uncomfortable we're going to let the
Secret Service know that this is not
this is not a hospital Place Raleigh
North Carolina so if you want to come
here and talk that boy scouts you better
sneak in and you better sneak out and
don't let any publicity attend this none
of the newspapers none of the of the uh
of the media covered the thing well
that's a small sort of Victory if we to
pile on to things like that then I think
that that we have enough energy and we
have enough uh we have enough
imagination to do these things sometimes
I I close with a
well with a favorite expression I am
it comes from the Bible sort of has to
do with Noah okay Noah and his art
so what I call I call it the Noah
principle
ready
no more awards for predicting rain
Awards only
for building Orcs
okay
we can Grouse and we can complain about
the state of the media and the fact that
you know so far our efforts have not
been very successful
why do I need what we really need to do
is not predict more rain but build an
ark
bring some wood
give some ideas do something do
something courageous like speak up in a
in a venue where criminals like George W
bush would be that's what we need to do
not complain or predict more rain but
build arcs bring your own plank we'll
stick it together and you know little by
little there's a chance we will prevail
one of my one of my heroes
uh Caesar shades
he used to also say you know when I when
I volunteered I recommended an action
you know a real action people would say
oh there aren't enough of us there
aren't answers and I would say there are
enough of us
but if there's no action nothing's going
to happen so we're Beyond predicting
rain
we're gonna act
and I appeal to my fellow Americans and
everybody else who's watching here to
act for justice act for truth and we'll
find our way out of this dilemma
and how
short of bricks in contrast of G7
bricks yes Brazil Russia China Russia
India well I think the the future is
clearly uh with bricks with everybody
and his brother wanting to join uh
Iran
uh Saudi Arabia I mean the thing is
gaining stature
and uh it's uh really a product of the
insensitivity of what I call before the
Lily white West because there's no need
to drive other peoples together if you
don't if you avoid acting arrogantly
so I think the future is with the Belton
Road initiative and the bricks and the
other Shanghai groups and so forth that
have that have really siphoned off the
interest on the part of very important
countries and so uh
I think that NATO
has really kind of out
outlived its usefulness so to speak I
think the Russians and the Chinese are
still really uh careful about not
denigrating or not completely avoiding
NATO I'm not NATO but the U.N but they
see the handwriting on the wall it is so
much a creature of the United States
so much under U.S influence
that even the head of the
iaea the international atomic energy
agency
comes to to inspect that very very large
nuclear power plant in Zappa Russia in
Ukraine
even when they come in there with his
team and their shelled and they need
Russian protection from the shelling and
they get in in a safe place and they
thank the Russians for for taking effect
and then somebody says where are the
shells coming from
oh we're not allowed to say what do you
mean we're listening from over there
across the river uh we're not allowed to
say not allowed to say but God of course
the ukrainians are Shelly that's
supplementary it's incredibly dangerous
thing for them to be doing okay it's not
just the hardened uh edifice there it's
the the pools of this this terrible
runoff of waste or whatever it is that's
equally dangerous so
so that's a function of what the UN has
become it's become pretty much a tool in
the end of the United States the iaea
that has to do with nuclear inspections
The Chemical People who uh who actually
falsify the reports of sarin guess
things and attacks in Syria
it's well known that the U.N is pretty
much under the heel of the
anglo-americans as people say and when
the Russians raise things like the dirty
bomb or the Laboratories the bio
Laboratories that have been set up in
Ukraine well it's very hard for the
Russians or the Chinese to get a fair
hearing there because who knows the UK
may be sharing the security Council that
day or you could have Gabon which has to
be really really careful not to alienate
people that are giving them a lot of
development money so it's pretty cool it
has a usefulness still but it's residual
the real action is gravitated toward the
East and Bricks is an excellent example
of where the future lies and I think we
had as a population of this this Earth
this this planet called Earth we had a
now enough of Wars we had Vietnam we had
Laos we had Cambodia we had
uh Iraq Afghanistan Libya Yemen and and
when this Insanity comes to end because
we I I see another conflict in Taiwan
we're gonna have a serious conflict
between the U.S and China and Taiwan how
do you see this
well I I would relax a little bit a bit
about Taiwan
uh
the Chinese have been around for a long
time like five millennia
uh they're careful
they're slow
they plan for the long term
they have no doubt that Taiwan will be
part of China physically
in the foreseeable future
in my view the Chinese have no intention
to seize Taiwan militarily
that would be not only costly but it
would be stupid
so
what's the problem well the problem is
that Joe Biden President Biden gets up
and he says if China attacks Taiwan
we're gonna defend it with our boys and
girls
now why would he say that
well we have midterm elections coming up
here in this country just two weeks two
three weeks away he wants to appear
really really strong and so it doesn't
matter whether China intends to attack
Taiwan anytime soon it can really he
does Preston say they're not going to do
it on my watch
now the Chinese have this
I was going to say odd or weird
but it's really very sensible attitude
they keep saying
why can't we have a win win attitude
in fact I mean
I mean
not only in a moral sense but in a
political sense why can't it be when
when
well
it's a mystery to them why the U.S can't
accept this concept but further proof of
U.S difficulty and accepting this
concept was just six weeks
after Biden took office
and he got up and for whatever reason
said you know China is a developing
country but they're not going to be the
most important economic power on my
watch
nope
why not
I mean you know does this have to do
with that exceptionalism or
indispensability oh why not you know we
haven't we're a natural we had a natural
trade relationship with them so the
Russians why can't we just have a win in
a triangular sense a win-win win
situation
now maybe I'll add here that I began my
analyst career with the CIA a half
century ago
watching relations between Russia and
China
that was my job okay
in those days the Russians and the
Chinese were at each other's throats
a total trade volume between the two
countries annual trade was 200 million
dollars
guess what
in two years
economists expect
that the trade volume between the two
countries will be 200
billion dollars
billion would be okay
now
I tried to work this out I'm not real
good at math
but I I worked it out so that that's a
thousand times larger and then I checked
with my mathematician sons of yeah you
got that right Dad that's a thousand
times larger
suffice it to say that back in the 60s
even into the 70s there were each
other's throats we thought they would
hate each other forever
not the case we were wrong they saw that
they could more recently band together
against the United States and when you
have a common enemy that develops open
strategies to make sure that each of you
are in effect enemies that is Russia and
China or what's what's to prevent them
from being coming very close so bottom
line here is that when I was chief of
the Soviet foreign policy Branch we
noticed that when Nixon went to China
the Russians started to become really
really much more friendly and flexible
guess what happened
we got a deal on Berlin
nobody expected them to make a deal on
Berlin but we did and then we got Arms
Control treaties that were the anchor of
the balance for 30 years the
anti-ballistic missile tree which I
helped
with the
uh
trust but verify aspected
we could tell Kissinger and Nixon if the
Russians cheated and they did okay we
told them the Russia tore it down okay
so I was involved in that and that was a
high point in my career they took
advantage of the fact that we had gone
to meijing and the Russians were a
little afraid that the Chinese would
develop a more amicable relationship
with the United States at their expense
so we had see if I can do this we had a
sort of equilateral triangle right
it's become a
isosceles triangle if you remember your
geometry okay
the U.S is at the short end this is the
U.S right these two Powers have combined
together so that it's not equilateral
anymore they are in tune facing what
they conceive as a common threat
and they don't have to get this from
spies
they can read it in strategic documents
like the one just put out by the
Pentagon so you know talk about insane
why policy makers in the United States
would drive these two giants together
and have to face both of them
well talk about uh
bipolar they need to see a they need to
see a psychiatrist and sooner the better
because it doesn't make any sense and as
the Chinese used to say back in the day
it's going to come to a no good end the
United States
I understand
and I I think I I already asked all my
questions here you if you want to add
more comments on the Ukraine war
or other any other thing
feel free to do that
so the Ukraine war of course is uh first
and foremost in our concerns
um
we have the midterm elections coming up
on the 8th of November
only then we be able to analyze what the
winners are likely to do
and it's really hard to to do this in
the hypothetical but let's say that
there is a prevailing sentiment that
this was a really bad idea to give
billions of money to the ukrainians when
we need that money at home
let's say there's a new reluctance on
the port of Congress to keep throwing
this money
unregulated unmonitored into the black
hole of Ukraine well that's going to
have an effect
and maybe just maybe and this is more
hope than expectation how Biden to the
degree he is able will see the
handwriting on the wall and start to act
like the Statesman
like who shafted exactly 60 years ago
okay
now what does a Statesman do well he
says well
challenging Russia in Ukraine was a
Gambit
uh we thought it would work you know
looks like the Russians are very serious
and they're threatening they're
threatening a real wider War uh
didn't work
why don't we pull back
why don't we reassess and pull back
because after all
this is not an existential threat for
the United States
it's becoming a real threat to Europe
because they don't have the gas that
they need or the oil that they need so
let's reassess this thing before things
go completely out of kilter before
there's no respite for this now that's
my hope as I say and that would be the
smart thing to do because as people
probably should know my opinion on these
things Russia is winning the ground war
in Ukraine
Russia cannot afford to lose the ground
war in Ukraine the small Ukrainian
advances over the last month are
incremental and don't
matter much
the Russians are building up for major
offensive in November December are they
capable of doing that they are what will
happen well if Biden is smart or whoever
is running the show there is smart says
okay we did this Gambit it didn't work
let's talk
even 30 congressmen said let's talk
before they change their mind okay it's
sensible to talk but for Shuff and
Kennedy did is they talked okay they had
to use a hotline a teletype machine and
it took a while but they talked okay
they exchanged messages and the message
that came in exactly 60 years ago today
folks sharp said okay we're withdrawing
the missiles we're packaging them up
we're putting them in crates we're
cutting them on chips we're getting them
out of there but you won't you promise
not to invade Cuba right and uh uh Obama
said yeah I won't and there was that
Turkish little thing on the side and
there was a measure of trust there
in other words some of the documents
show that well Shuff was a little
worried he said okay I trust this guy
Kennedy and I'm going to tell my I'm
going to be quiet about it publicly but
I'm going to tell my generals that that
Kennedy agreed to pull out the missiles
from Turkey
can I can I trust he won't write it down
can I trust them
well he did
then Kennedy made good on that promise
there was political reasons why he
didn't want to announce it just then 60
years ago
where is trust now
the trust is lacking
communication is lacking
and that's why you know I really worry
sensible people would not go up to the
brink and risk nuclear war
but we have in Washington are people who
are not
who don't demonstrate a lot of good
sense
and uh we're still
pooching knows that so do his generals
and so it is a situation fully as
dangerous as Cuba 60 years ago
but there are factors for stability
Communications channels
experience with war and a modicum of
trust
that existed then
does not exist now
so maybe those of you who like me are
praying types can put that into play
but the big deal that we can do on a
practical scale is to spread the truth
around make sure that our leaders know
that they can't put their trust in U.S
media the media is part of the Mickey
man remember okay
what they can put their trust in is
people like like myself and my friends
and the veteran intelligence
Professionals for sanity and my son who
runs my website always tells me dad
never forget
in an interview like this don't forget
to mention our website will you okay and
so I will you know it's Ray McGovern
.com
real easy raymondgovern.com
oh Joseph my son also says Dad when you
say that always say whoa
if you don't get it
you don't get it
end quote now I'm too modest I'm too
humble to say that so
I'm not going to say if you don't get it
you don't get it but it really would be
very helpful
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